Thread:Twentypence/@comment-6800048-20140816072624/@comment-9871338-20140912073126

To answer some of the questions.

I think what we need to find is a balance between what looks best for users who visit this site and read the information and editors who wish to update that information.

Templates are normally a very good way to do this because they allow minimal updating on the part of editor and maintain a consistent layout making it easier for users to read.

The main issue that I can see is that the visual editor does not work well with the tabbed template we have for the dragon progression. I created the template without testing it in the visual editor, because I never use visual editors due to the problems they cause (at time of writing the dragon progression table on the Sand Wraith page is out of alignment due to an edit made using the visual editor, I point out that this is not the fault of the person who made the edit, but this is the kind of thing the visual editor does). I do however understand that a lot of newer users use it as it is now the default editor.

I would like to come up with some kind of compromise solution that gives us: The best I can think of at the moment is just to turn off visual editor for the whole site, but I won't do that without discussing it with the majority of editors first.
 * Something that looks nice
 * Something that is easy to edit
 * Something that is secure from formatting mistakes

If the template has a problem on level 59 please could you provide me with details and an example.

Certain parts of the template are designed not to be changed, so yes these are harder to edit. This is to provide consistent information. The template will be gradually updated until it gives us what we need from it, rather than each minor change we decide to make having to be made on every page.

If they add a higher level cap with the next update one of two things will happen:
 * If not using the template we will need to manually update about 60 dragon pages, the update after that we will probably need to manually update somewhere in the region of 100 dragon pages, after about a year each update will involve a massive manual update project before we can even add the new information in.
 * If using a template we will need to change the template page. All dragon pages will automatically change. The update after that we will need to change the template page. After about a year each update will involve updating one page and then adding the new information in.

Maybe one template doesn't cut it for all the dragons, but the fewer the number of pages to update the better.

As to using the HTTYD wiki template, yes, we did steal the design from there. I have no problem with information looking consistent across two sites.